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I just got 2nd place because the other guy was somehow shooting me from the ocean (not in a boat) and I could not shoot the tiny little piece of his head sticking out of the water and yet he was able to kill me.  Bullets either need to be able to penetrate the water to some degree or he needs to be far out of the water to be able to shoot. I guess in this area the beach was shallow so he was 20+feet off shore and yet still able to shoot me but was protected by the water so much that I couldn't kill him. So frustrating!!!!!! Wish I could have recorded it somehow.

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Aussieeeee    16
4 hours ago, kevin.m.kostecki said:

I just got 2nd place because the other guy was somehow shooting me from the ocean (not in a boat) and I could not shoot the tiny little piece of his head sticking out of the water and yet he was able to kill me.  Bullets either need to be able to penetrate the water to some degree or he needs to be far out of the water to be able to shoot. I guess in this area the beach was shallow so he was 20+feet off shore and yet still able to shoot me but was protected by the water so much that I couldn't kill him. So frustrating!!!!!! Wish I could have recorded it somehow.

 

It is a bit of an issue,

We had a 4 man squad bail into the water, and half glitch into the water by squatting so we couldn't actually hit them but they could shoot out, Needless to say, it was very annoying.

Hope they can implement bullets penetrating water, ( minus some damage depending on how deep it is ) 

 

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Jbwrecked    148

Technically bullets don't penetrate much under water..... He/she shouldn't be able to pop shots from under water as well so that should be fixed but I think if you're under water, you're safe until you need to get some air. 

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10 hours ago, Jbwrecked said:

Technically bullets don't penetrate much under water..... He/she shouldn't be able to pop shots from under water as well so that should be fixed but I think if you're under water, you're safe until you need to get some air. 

In the surf near shore where waves would be crashing and the water would not be a smooth surface I think bullets would penetrate fairly well due to the lack of surface tension in the churning water. Not that I expect them to have that much realism and physics considered. I believe most of the stopping force of the bullet into the water is the surface tension required to initially penetrate the water, but with a lack of surface tension, it should penetrate decently and be fairly damaging. Its not like Mythbusters tests shooting into a calm swimming pool.

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Jbwrecked    148
34 minutes ago, kevin.m.kostecki said:

In the surf near shore where waves would be crashing and the water would not be a smooth surface I think bullets would penetrate fairly well due to the lack of surface tension in the churning water. Not that I expect them to have that much realism and physics considered. I believe most of the stopping force of the bullet into the water is the surface tension required to initially penetrate the water, but with a lack of surface tension, it should penetrate decently and be fairly damaging. Its not like Mythbusters tests shooting into a calm swimming pool.

Hmm didn't really think about the surface tension. I was thinking more on the type of bullet and its corresponding velocity. Seems like the higher velocity bullets are the ones that don't make it very far due to decomposition of the metal through breaking through the water. If discharging a high velocity charge, it will most likely break apart. But, if you're using a slower, harder, and more dense metal, it could theoretically make it a further distance without breaking apart. 

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1 minute ago, Jbwrecked said:

Hmm didn't really think about the surface tension. I was thinking more on the type of bullet and its corresponding velocity. Seems like the higher velocity bullets are the ones that don't make it very far due to decomposition of the metal through breaking through the water. If discharging a high velocity charge, it will most likely break apart. But, if you're using a slower, harder, and more dense metal, it could theoretically make it a further distance without breaking apart. 

Agreed, I think there are two main factors that causes the bullets to break apart; the initial surface tension penetration and the rapid deceleration. That's why when you see people cliff diving etc, they are diving into water which is aerated so there is low surface tension and you decelerate slower. The change in acceleration is why higher velocity rounds perform worse, they experience a larger deceleration because they are going faster.

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Jbwrecked    148

Interesting. Didn't know that water was aerated in certain diving scenarios. That definitely makes sense though. In this case though, I can definitely see them adding different types of rounds as far as armor piercing, etc. so maybe they'll add some support for bullets and their travel through different bodies of water. 

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RoKa    26

Hey guys,

I just finished a solo game which I felt I played really well in, had to swim across the river to get to the island, and outplayed campers etc. so I got in a 1v1.

I knew he was behind one of the pillars of the bridge so I ran to him, I saw him swimming! So I shot at his torse for 6-8 times and I didn't see a single blood spat, so I'm like, fine okay, I guess water REALLY slows your bullets down that they don't do damage or something.So I approached him ever move because he had to go onshore to win obviously.
When I approached him (really) close range he peeked -IN- the water behind the pillar so it came down to who shot the best.
I aimed at his troath region (I often do this to compensate for inaccuracy so I hit the torso, shoulders or head.) and he didn't get hit ONCE.

I think this is to blame because the water surface was around his nipples (for lack of a better determination haha). And now I feel robbed of my win.
I remember ARMA doing this differently, I think you could atleast shoot through 2-3 meters of water before your bullets deal no damage, long time I played the game but I can remember picking off people in water really easily.

So, any thoughts about this? Please let me know if I'm just bad or if you've also witnessed this.

Kind Regards,
Roman

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Jbwrecked    148

In all reality, I think the water does need work. I didn't have as calculated of an event as yours but I saw someone swimming, tried shooting multiple times, and no dice. Same on the shoreline. I did get a headshot blood splatter when he was in approximately stomach-deep water but didn't notice and damage other than that. Might need a bit of re-work though. 

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Delta    11
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Lmao. It's a bug I guess. I've seen people shoot at players underwater at blank range and they weren't able to kill them until they had swam out. 

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RoKa    26
1 minute ago, Delta said:

Lmao. It's a bug I guess. I've seen people shoot at players underwater at blank range and they weren't able to kill them until they had swam out. 

Mhm, but having the lack of knowledge knowing if it's a bug or feature I decided to put it under suggestions so they might know how to fix the bullets not doing damage (traveling a distance through water before it starts altering the velocity/damage of the bullet)

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Fourbz    0
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I've personally had only one battle in the water, unfortunately it was me being shot at from a guy in a boat.. He couldn't hit me when I was down below the surface of the water but as soon as my had popped out he tore it off with no problems. 

 

He knew where I was in the water, pulled up on me, and just waited for me to surface from lack of air. Is how the battle went. 

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RoKa    26
2 minutes ago, Fourbz said:

I've personally had only one battle in the water, unfortunately it was me being shot at from a guy in a boat.. He couldn't hit me when I was down below the surface of the water but as soon as my had popped out he tore it off with no problems. 

 

He knew where I was in the water, pulled up on me, and just waited for me to surface from lack of air. Is how the battle went. 

Mhm, so what I take from this is that the bullet had a minimal chance of crossing the water's hitbox. If he was nearly above your so-to-say. I was shooting at a low angle maximizing my odds.

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Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, PandahSykes said:

Fuck Kevin Costner .

 

 

Idk why you keep spamming threads with your video. The way a bullet travels through water makes perfect sense in this game. Just like in real life.

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PandahSykes    76
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5 minutes ago, Flosstradamus said:

Idk why you keep spamming threads with your video. The way a bullet travels through water makes perfect sense in this game. Just like in real life.

So in real life you can shoot someone who's crawling in knee deep water on their knees directly below you with a shotgun and they will survive , not just one blast but three ?

Please make a real life video proving that there buddy . And maybe watch my video before making assumptions about it ; as no one with a brain would consider that realistic or appropriate for a game based around  competitive play . 

devs have acknowledged this as a bug and are working on it , so apparently your "real life physics of water" will never make It into game - sorry 'Damas.

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Just now, PandahSykes said:

So in real life you can shoot someone who's crawling in knee deep water on their knees directly below you with a shotgun and they will survive , not just one blast but three ? Please make a real life video proving that there buddy .

They most likely will survive as water really hinders and stops bullets by a lot even at a close range. They say you can survive a shotgun blast if in 3 feet of water

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PandahSykes    76
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3 minutes ago, Flosstradamus said:

They most likely will survive as water really hinders and stops bullets by a lot even at a close range. They say you can survive a shotgun blast if in 3 feet of water

Ok man , go ahead and give your opinions to myth busters while me and the devs balance this game correctly . No one will agree with you that water should stop bullets - only after about 6-10 feet will a bullet be slowed down enough to not draw blood on someone in the water , so if that's added to the game it's fine but my video clearly is not about water that deep .

Please do research about the current argument before jumping the gun there Nostradamus , we get it your phsychic or some shit but I think you may have missed a physics class or two xD 

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4 minutes ago, PandahSykes said:

Ok man , go ahead and give your opinions to myth busters while me and the devs balance this game correctly . No one will agree with you that water should stop bullets - only after about 6-10 feet will a bullet be slowed down enough to not draw blood on someone in the water , so if that's added to the game it's fine but my video clearly is not about water that deep .

Please do research about the current argument before jumping the gun there Nostradamus , we get it your phsychic or some shit but I think you may have missed a physics class or two xD 

https://www.quora.com/How-much-speed-does-a-bullet-lose-when-fired-into-water

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PandahSykes    76
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13 minutes ago, Flosstradamus said:

Thanks for quoting evidence that disprove what you were trying to say .

You're little quora link clearly states that even a 9 mm penetrated through 6 ft of water produces a fatal shot (you would know that if you read the chart) but only if the shooter is at a 30 degree angle of you  , will it stop any round [even a fifty caliber] at less than three feet - the video I posted that you decided to attack presented the downed opponent in about 3 feet of water , and I shot him with a shotgun (s12k) and an assault rifle (m16) straight above him - so NOT AT A 30 DEGREE ANGLE - in other words that guy had no chance to survive In my video . 

So you have proven that my shot would have been fatal , on the first shotgun blast let alone the other two and the m16 shots  . Too bad for you that I wasn't at a 30 degree angle xD 

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Noki_V2    2
On 4/20/2017 at 9:23 PM, PandahSykes said:

Fuck Kevin Costner .

 

 

Yeah so this is why I'm here.... I've had multiple games where I'm facing someone and they simply wade into waist deep water and they become invincible, like the water is some sort of full body shield. Even driving a boat over someone whos head is up out of the water, it does nothing. How are we supposed to kill someone in the water? They swim up for half a second and go back down, your shot has to be 1000% accurate to do any remote damage to them.

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Bion    41
On 4/20/2017 at 8:38 PM, PandahSykes said:

Thanks for quoting evidence that disprove what you were trying to say .

You're little quora link clearly states that even a 9 mm penetrated through 6 ft of water produces a fatal shot (you would know that if you read the chart) but only if the shooter is at a 30 degree angle of you  , will it stop any round [even a fifty caliber] at less than three feet - the video I posted that you decided to attack presented the downed opponent in about 3 feet of water , and I shot him with a shotgun (s12k) and an assault rifle (m16) straight above him - so NOT AT A 30 DEGREE ANGLE - in other words that guy had no chance to survive In my video . 

So you have proven that my shot would have been fatal , on the first shotgun blast let alone the other two and the m16 shots  . Too bad for you that I wasn't at a 30 degree angle xD 

Dude, you sound like such a dick. And I believe that you are the one that didn't read the article.

A 9mm pierces through the water because the bullet doesn't hit the water hard enough to shatter it, but still maintains its trajectory and slices through the water for a short distance. This drastically reduces its power over time, but yes, it is still effective at close range.

Almost anything more powerful than that causes the bullet to shatter on impact with the water. ESPECIALLY a 50 cal. Even at close range.

In the case of buckshot, which the shotguns use in PUBG, the pellets will stop almost instantly after hitting the water.

Additionally, even if the bullets are able to maintain their structure and velocity, the impact with the water and the friction while traveling through it easily causes the trajectory to go off course, and miss the target all together.

THEN, if you have a gun that is operational underwater, very similar effects still happen. Generally smaller caliber guns will shoot up to a short distance and still be lethal, but high powered rifles will lose almost all momentum and trajectory almost immediately out of the barrel. Only lethal at point blank, basically.

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Anyways, you're right. Water isn't working as intended. But not horribly far off from what it should. So grow up a bit.

Also, if it comes to that situation again, you can put your weapon away and punch them out, even when it water. Granted it's not an ideal fix, there are times that this helps.

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khannon    7
On 4/20/2017 at 8:27 PM, Flosstradamus said:

3" deer slug + Shotgun @ 6ft: As one might have expected, firing a 
shotgun into a narrow tank of water shattered the tank and sent everyone
running to turn off all the lights to prevent short circuits. The slug 
shot went through the ballistics gel -- fatal

 

While the panda dude might sound like something of a dick, he is 100% right, and the guy was kneeling (knocked out) in water waist deep. Panda was literally right on top of the guy, and fired 3 shots directly down into him (3-6 inches worth of water at best). No damage, he swapped to the rifle (m16a4 I think) and fired another few into him at a 30 or so degree angle down from 8 or so feet away, still would only be 8-12 inches of water to hit the target even at the angle. No damage. 

Not trying to sound like a giant douche here, Floss, but if you are going to contradict someone - know your facts, and at least have the courtesy of watching the video they submitted as proof. 

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Water needs fixing. 

*cough* also first person only standard game mode needs to be implemented *cough* (shamelessly tossing this in here, 'cause it needs to happen >.>) 

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Just now, khannon said:

3" deer slug + Shotgun @ 6ft: As one might have expected, firing a 
shotgun into a narrow tank of water shattered the tank and sent everyone
running to turn off all the lights to prevent short circuits. The slug 
shot went through the ballistics gel -- fatal

 

While the panda dude might sound like something of a dick, he is 100% right, and the guy was kneeling (knocked out) in water waist deep. Panda was literally right on top of the guy, and fired 3 shots directly down into him (3-6 inches worth of water at best). No damage, he swapped to the rifle (m16a4 I think) and fired another few into him at a 30 or so degree angle down from 8 or so feet away, still would only be 8-12 inches of water to hit the target even at the angle. No damage. 

Not trying to sound like a giant douche here, Floss, but if you are going to contradict someone - know your facts, and at least have the courtesy of watching the video they submitted as proof. 

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Water needs fixing. 

*cough* also first person only standard game mode needs to be implemented *cough* (shamelessly tossing this in here, 'cause it needs to happen >.>) 

All good. He was right I was wrong but in the end its a video game and it really shouldn't mimic real life anyways otherwise every game would be hard lol

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